In a conversation that’s by turns heartbreaking and hilarious, podcaster Nora McInerny and author shares her wisdom about life and death. Her approach to something that will, let’s face it, influence all of us, is as liberating as it’s gut-wrenching. Most powerfully, she motivates us to change how we approach grief. “A grieving person will laugh and grin,” she states. “They are going to proceed. But that doesn’t mean that they’ve moved on.”